Tuesday, June 30, 2009

From http://alreadygonebook.wordpress.com/

Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis commissioned America’s Research Group to investigste why young people leave the church. The findings are published in Ken Ham’s new book, Already Gone. Some insights include:
Among 20- to 29-year-old evangelicals
95% attended church regularly during elementary school
95% attended church regularly during middle school
>> 40% first had doubts about the Bible in middle school
55% attended church regularly during high school
>> 43.7% first had doubts about the Bible in high school
11% attended church regularly during college
>> 10% first had doubts about the Bible in college
Oddly, the study discovered that those who attended Sunday school (61%) are actually more likely than non-attendees (39%):
to not believe that all the accounts and stories in the Bible are true
to doubt the Bible because it was written by men
to defend keeping abortion legal
to accept the legalization of gay marriage
to believe in evolution
to believe that good people don’t need to go to church
Clearly, most children’s ministries are failing at producing long-term disciples. So what will it take to change this?
On the one hand, I believe that every children’s ministry can absolutely improve what they do. There is always room for improvement, but I also think these failed children’s ministries are the byproduct of failed churches.
If you want to reach and disciple children, you must reach and disciple their parents.

Church going kids spend only 1% of their time at church, 20% at school, 30% sleeping, and much of the rest watching TV and playing. Children’s ministers can determine the 1%, but it is the parents who have the power to decide what reaches their kids during the other 99%. If you disciple the parents, you disciple the kids.

Sunday, June 21, 2009

The Impossible Mormon Gospel

To see just how good a Mormon must be to be right with God let’s go directly to the LDS scriptures and prophets.

“For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance; Nevertheless, he that repents and does the commandments of the Lord shall be forgiven; And he that repents not, from him shall be taken even the light which he has received; for my Spirit shall not always strive with man, saith the Lord of Hosts.” (Doctrine and Covenants 1:31-33)
According to D&C 1:31-33, what degree of sin can God look upon?

"Behold, he who has repented of his sins, the same is forgiven, and I, the Lord, remember them no more. By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins--behold, he will confess them and forsake them." (Doctrine and Covenants 58:42-43)
Have you forsaken all of your sins?

“There is one crucial test of repentance. This is abandonment of the sin… In other words, it is not real repentance until one has abandoned the error of his ways and started on a new path.” (The Miracle of Forgiveness by Spencer Kimball, p.163)
Have you really repented and thus abandoned your sin?

"…unto that soul who sinneth shall the former sins return, saith the Lord your God." (Doctrine and Covenants 82:7)
According to D&C 82:7, what happens to you if you do sin again?

“The Lord cannot save men in their sins but only from their sins, and that only when they have shown true repentance.” (The Miracle of Forgiveness by Spencer Kimball, p.166)

“The Lord will indeed forgive, but he will not tolerate repetitions of the sin:” (The Miracle of Forgiveness by Spencer Kimball, p.357; refers to Ether 2:15)

“An incomplete repentance never brought about complete forgiveness” (The Miracle of Forgiveness by Spencer Kimball, p.212)

“And I say unto you again that he cannot save them in their sins; for I cannot deny his word, and he hath said that no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven; therefore, how can ye be saved, except ye inherit the kingdom of heaven? Therefore, ye cannot be saved in your sins.” (Alma 11:37)
Can God save you? Yes, according to the Book of Mormon but, you cannot be saved in your sins. You can only be saved if you genuinely repent, which is to completely and permanently stop sinning.

“Discontinuance of sin must be permanent” (The Miracle of Forgiveness by Spencer Kimball, p.176)
It’s been said “I’ll try my best and God will make up for the rest.”

“Trying is not sufficient Nor is repentance complete when one merely tries to abandon sin…To ‘try’ is weak. To ‘do the best I can’ is not strong. We must always do better than we can.” (The Miracle of Forgiveness by Spencer Kimball, pp.164-165)

“And if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then his grace sufficient for you…” (Moroni 10:32)
According to Moroni 10:32, when does God make up for the rest (the times we‘ve fallen short)? When is God’s grace sufficient? Is it not after you’ve denied yourself “all” ungodliness? Have you denied yourself all ungodliness? Do you ever lie, lust, get angry without cause, commit any sin or do anything that is ungodly?

“Those who feel that they can sin and be forgiven and then return to sin and be forgiven again and again must straighten out their thinking. Each previously forgiven sin is added to the new one. Thus, when a man has made up his mind to change his life there must be no turning back.” (The Miracle of Forgiveness by Spencer Kimball, p.170)

“daily transgression and daily repentance is that which is not pleasing in the sight of God.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 148)

“We can hardly be too forceful in reminding people that they cannot sin and be forgiven and then sin again and again and expect repeated forgiveness” (The Miracle of Forgiveness by Spencer Kimball, p.360)

"In the context of the spirit of forgiveness, one good brother asked me, "Yes, that is what ought to be done, but how do you do it? Doesn't that take a superman?' 'Yes,' I said, 'but we are commanded to be supermen. Said the Lord, 'Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.' (Matt. 5:48.) We are gods in embryo, and the Lord demands perfection of us.'" (The Miracle of Forgiveness by Spencer Kimball, p. 286)
God commands you to stop sinning and be perfect. Note, it says “be” perfect not “become” perfect.

“…for I know that the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them.” (1 Nephi 3:7)
Does God give a command you can’t keep? Wouldn’t your best be sinless perfection?

“Being perfect means to triumph over sin. This is a mandate from the Lord. He is just and wise and kind. He would never require anything from his children which was not for their benefit and which was not attainable. Perfection therefore is an achievable goal." (The Miracle of Forgiveness by Spencer Kimball, p. 209)

“…for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do.” (2 Nephi 25:23)

Are you doing “all” that you can do? Are you perfect? According to the prophet and the Book of Mormon you can be perfect. God commands perfection of you and you’ll only be saved by grace after you do all you can do. (2 Nephi 25:23)

You must stop sinning before death

“Men and women who live in mortality and who have heard the gospel here have had their day, their seventy years to put their lives in harmony, to perform the ordinances, to repent and to perfect their lives…spirit world repentance cannot recompense for that which could and should have been done on earth.” (The Miracle of Forgiveness by Spencer Kimball, pp.314-315)

“…this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God… For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked” (Alma 34:30-35, see also Mosiah 2:36-39; Alma 12:24; 2 Nephi 9:38)

Friday, June 12, 2009

Letter to my LDS friend by Rob-roy

Dear Friend,

I love you. Please take time to read this very important letter. Since you are so devoted to your faith it is important for you to know that according to the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormons), true repentance means sinless perfectionism. Since no one can completely stop sinning in this life the teaching of the LDS Church is indeed the Impossible Gospel. This is the reason you and other LDS I talk with consistently respond that you do not know for sure that you have eternal life because you must rely on your own ability to keep the commandments and stop sinning in order to earn the grace of God.

If you don’t believe me then see for yourself. Here are the requirements of true repentance for salvation as defined by the LDS Church:

Must forsake all sin and deny all ungodliness
"Behold, he who has repented of his sins, the same is forgiven, and I, the Lord, remember them no more. By this ye may know if a man repenteth of his sins--behold, he will confess them and forsake them." (Doctrine and Covenants 58:42-43)

“And if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you…” (Moroni 10:32)

“Repentance is for every soul who has not yet reached perfection” (Miracle of Forgiveness [MoF] by Spencer Kimball, p.33)

Must keep all the commandments.
“For I the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance; Nevertheless, he that repents and does the commandments of the Lord shall be forgiven; And he that repents not, from him shall be taken even the light which he has received; for my Spirit shall not always strive with man, saith the Lord of Hosts.” (Doctrine and Covenants 1:31-33)

Must stop all sinning.
“Being perfect means to triumph over sin. This is a mandate from the Lord. He is just and wise and kind. He would never require anything from his children which was not for their benefit and which was not attainable. Perfection therefore is an achievable goal” (MoF by Spencer Kimball p. 209)

“the Lord giveth no commandments unto the children of men, save he shall prepare a way for them that they may accomplish the thing which he commandeth them” 1 Nephi 3:7

“Discontinuance of sin must be permanent” (MoF, p.176)


Must never repeat any sin again or commit new sins for the first time.
"Unto the soul that sins the former sins return" (Doctrine and Covenants 82:7).

“daily transgression and daily repentance is that which is not pleasing in the sight of God.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 148)

“no unclean thing can inherit the kingdom of heaven; therefore, how can ye be saved, except ye inherit the kingdom of heaven? Therefore, ye cannot saved in your sins” (Alma 11:37)

“Those who feel that they can sin and be forgiven and then return to sin and be forgiven again and again must straighten out their thinking. Each previously forgiven sin is added to the new one. When a man has made up his mind to change his life there must be no turning back.” (MoF by Spencer Kimball, p.170)

Trying not to sin is not enough

“Desire and Trying to abandon sins is not sufficient, only abandoning sin is sufficient” (MoF by Spencer Kimball, p.163-164)

“We can hardly be too forceful in reminding people that they cannot sin and be forgiven and then sin again and again and expect repeated forgiveness” (MoF by Spencer Kimball, p.360)

“There is one crucial test of repentance. This is abandonment of the sin.” (MoF by Spencer Kimball, p.163)

“An incomplete repentance never brought about complete forgiveness” (MoF by Spencer Kimball, p.212)

Must stop sinning before death (No second chances)

“spirit world repentance cannot recompense for that which could and should have been done on earth” (MoF by Spencer Kimball, p.315)

“…this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God… For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold, ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he doth seal you his; therefore, the Spirit of the Lord hath withdrawn from you, and hath no place in you, and the devil hath all power over you; and this is the final state of the wicked” (Alma 34:30-35)


Friend, the Impossible Gospel of Mormonism is not only impossible but also false. It is based on fear and works righteousness. Grace only applies after all you can do (2 Nephi 25:23). Unless you never commit any sin ever again you are still in sin and not truly repentant. Trying to stop sinning is not enough. The time to deny all ungodliness is now because at death there is no second chance from being sealed to the devil who is in Outer Darkness. That is the final state of your soul for all eternity without end. Have you stopped sinning completely? If not then Grace does not apply to you. You will die in sin and will not be saved to be in the presence of the Father according to the LDS Teaching you just read. The LDS gospel is not good news.


For the Christian the requirement to be perfect still exists but it exists not in ourselves but in Jesus Christ completely. It is by the Cross we who are not perfect are made perfect forever (Hebrews 10:14). There is no other way for the Bible tells us that there is no one who is good (Romans 3:10). A person who thinks they can get to Heaven by being good and keeping the commandments does not understand how God sees sin, punishment, or Hell (John 3:18, 36). On Judgment Day every thought, word and deed will be exposed.

When we look at ourselves in the mirror of God’s standard we see that God views lust as adultery (Matthew 5:28), hatred as murder (1 John 3:15), and that no secret sin is hidden from Him of whom we will give an account (Hebrews 4:13). We see our sin in all its ugliness and realize that there is nothing we can do to remedy it. The more we see the depth of our sin the more we realize the extent of God's love to save us, making grace truly amazing (Romans 2:4, 5:8).

That’s the bad news. The law cannot save us. It simply teaches us (Romans 3:20, 7:13; Galatians 3:24) to not trust in our own goodness and leads us to trust by grace through faith in the goodness of Jesus alone for salvation (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 10:4). Because of sin we deserve Hell, but God showed His love by pouring His wrath toward our sin on His only Son. Jesus alone does the “perfecting” (Heb. 10:14). He suffered and died on the cross in our place and rose again so that we who deserve such punishment could be pardoned and God glorified. That is the good news. God’s love is amazing. Will you reject His amazing gift of undeserved kindness?


God commands you to repent and put all trust in Jesus Christ alone to save you (Acts 17:30-31). Stop attempting to gain your own salvation through works that cannot save (Rom. 10:3-4). It cheapens Christ’s sacrifice to be only a partial payment and insults God. You can do nothing to save yourself (Eph. 2:8-9). You must put all your faith in Jesus alone and place zero trust in yourself. Cry out to God and beg him to save you from your sin, and trust ONLY in His death and resurrection as full payment.


However, to die in sin apart from God's complete and undeserved mercy will bring a fearful day of wrath, judgment and a destination of Hell (Revelation 21:8). Don't wait another moment. Surrender all to the Savior for He is worthy and this day may be your last. There is no other way. Please repent and trust in the true Jesus. He is merciful to save.

I love you Friend. That is why I wanted to share this most important message of God’s kindness. Let’s talk more as soon as possible.


Love,

Rob-roy

Sunday, June 7, 2009

From the Skate Park to Mill Ave.

From Saturday June 6, 2009- The evening of evangelism started out at Freestone skate park. I met Jeremy, Tish and Josh there. Tish was doing the Intelligence Test for candy. The test of course included the gospel. She was 10 for 10 with those, she asked ten people to take it and she got ten willing participants. Jeremy was doing his blog talk radio show live through his cell phone. Josh and I went in to open air preach, and I must say it was depressing to see the hatred that kids so young have for the Bible and the Gospel, as well as the language they use. We preached the gospel and answered their questions. Things were hostile, I had a water bottle thrown at me which did manage to hit me in the side of the face. Praise God though, it didn’t have much water in it. Josh did a great job of opening air. He is an awesome brother in the Lord.
After we left the skate park, from there I went to Mill Ave. where I met up with Rob-roy and others. Not much later, Jennifer came out. I got to spend some time talking with Justin again. He is growing in the Lord so fast. It was nice getting to meet some of the other fellow believers that came out with Rob-roy. Around eleven, we headed to Rob-roy’s car and ended up talking about the things of God till after 1am. Rob-roy has such an abundant knowledge of the Word of God. Before the night ended, Jennifer and I headed back out to Mill ave., where I briefly open aired.

The back of Rob-roy, who is witnessing.


One of the "Got Thirst?" water bottles.

Jennifer (my sister) handing out the water bottles with the gospel on them.

Thursday, June 4, 2009

If you claim to be a Christian, PLEASE watch/listen to this



Or if you're short on time, check this one out:

More Mill and our trip to Prescott

It’s been a bit since I last posted anything (sorry). We’ve been going to Mill Ave. to share the Gospel. Jennifer and I met a couple, Brandt and Haleh who were also out there evangelizing . We talked to them for a while, they seemed to be very nice and doctrinally sound. Praise God! On May 9, Jennifer and I had company: Jeremy, Tish, Josh, Tony and Mark came along to evangelize with us. Here’s a clip from the night.



I’ll be posting a video from last Saturday, May 30. Jennifer and I were out there and I got smacked by a lady. I’m okay, but it was a surprise. I thank God yet again for His protection.
The next day a group of us went up to Mayer, AZ to hear Jeremy give a sermon at a church up there. He did a nice job. While we were there, we got to do some evangelizing in Prescott. Those who went to hear the sermon were Tish, Josh, Tony, Gloria, Bill, Jean, Gary, Harmony, myself and of course Jeremy. Below is a clip of Josh and I open airing there.